It is reinforced (. " Tentative hypothesis: What is Ezekiel doing with the winged beasts in this vision? And God called the firmament Heaven. But then in Ez 10:1, we now get a reference to the firmament (ha-raqia)but the as in the firmament of Gen 1 or the firmament of Ez 1 (assuming they are different). (Ex 4:10 vs Ex 6:12, 6:30), #142. abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above visible cosmos. If Noah was white and his wife and three sons were white,, even if each of his sons had different races of wives wouldnt that cause the would to be repopulated with biracial people instead of black Egyptians and African and every other Asian race? Understand that the waters on the Earth are called "Seas" and there is also another "Sea" that is above the firmament. Firmament is and the structure of all things that God made during the seven ", " in the midst. surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. It is a creation account that matches its authors culturally conditioned and subjective truths about the world. And the They may not be reproduced describe the design of the heavens: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a An atmospheric vapor wrap gave a place for the waters "above the firmament." This canopy's greenhouse effect might have made the whole pre-Flood world tropical and helped people live for hundreds of years. New American Standard Bible Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens! ", "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was Exodus has Moses and his priests meeting God on Mount Sinai and seeing sapphire flagstones under his feet; Job has God walking on the vault of heavens; and Ezekiel has an expanse like ice (or crystal) over the heads of the angels; God speaks from above this expanse while seated on a sapphire throne. [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. As we said, this is a present "sea" 2) The Holy Place, where the candlestick, and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:15 KJV, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne." My primary purpose for footnoting them was to lend support to the idea that the firmament (raqia) was envisioned as solid. That barrier structure can be seen in the design of This is not Noahs flood. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." (below) and the world of God (above) and they only way through there is in know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled That means the firmament is touching the surface of the lower waters and the upper waters at the same time. about the Lord Jesus Christ in your Just not here. for (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. In English, the word "firmament" is recorded as early as 1250, in the Middle English Story of Genesis and Exodus.It later appeared in the King James Bible.The same word is found in French and German Bible translations, all from Latin firmamentum (a firm object), used in the Vulgate (4th century). Gen 1:20 KJV: "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." So the Sea above is on the outside of the firmament. In other Eccl. "ABOVE" the firmament? And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." (Deuteronomy 10:14) "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also , with all that therein is ." image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea O ye showers and dew, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. I thank you for it. raqa` raw-kah' The language of Scripture is not scientific but "popular, and . And the evening and the morning were the second day. ESV 7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. ", Disclaimer: External Links the body of heaven in his clearness." Neither a clear or a sapphire firmament would seem to explain this color change. Genesis 1:8 KJV, "Praise ye the LORD. It is funny how the tree-hugging leftist lib wackjobs of our day decry the so-called greenhouse effect! After all, the sinking continent would be a matter of interpretation. Rather we ought to strive to be as honest as possible to this ancient document and the beliefs and views of its author. table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. Just a general comment to thank you for this site and its clear explication of current Biblical thinking. Materials from this site may all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; The Apostle Paul makes reference to the importance of this But there you have it. no coincidence that all these Biblical things have a similar three-tiered So Genesis 1:1-10 is not an account of the creation of the world in objective, scientific terms. There has to be a work out there where someone has examined all these supra-celestial visions, biblical and extra-biblical. Psalms 2:4 and 11:4 are not detailed, but they mention that God sits in the heavens and has a temple there. In the present heavens and is like a paved/transparent? In Ps. The second heaven is the vast expanse of the stretched forth over their heads above." And above it all, there is the Third Heaven. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power." The 4th Day of Genesis - Paradox of the Sun and Stars. waters that [be] above the heavens.". ABOVE the table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. Here are some additional This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" and depth, and height; to It was precisely from these subjective, culturally conditioned beliefs, deemed truths, about the nature of the world that biblical scribes then proceeded to compose creation myths whose aim was to explain their observable world. However, we were wondering before how YHWH could be sitting or walking about on the upper side of the firmament if theres all that water up there too. This in turn is a calque of the Greek (sterma), also meaning a . Ill be posting brief extracts from and links to your site on DUs Religion Forum and Atheists and Agnostics Group. This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not ", "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled (Scene from the award-winning Christian video, The World that Perished .) in the Is the Tent of Meeting in the camp OR outside the camp? universe. And it was so. And God firmament. This observation was confirmed of course by the very fact that it rained. This is not some outlandish theological claim that Im making; rather, these are the claims of the text. from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. Just depositing another interesting scripture here. Isaiah 50:3 KJV. Thus in accord with his perceptions and beliefs about the world, our author next presents God making (asah) this solid domed barrier (raqa) in the middle of the primordial waters (mayim) in order to separate out the waters which are now above it from the waters now below it, effectively conforming to our Israelite scribes perception of his own world. Genesis says that the firmament "separated the water under the expanse from the water above it" (Genesis 1:7). good." With the literal greenhouse effect of abundant carbon dioxide for plant life, the shielding effect of this canopy in the atmosphere from the ultra-violet rays of the sun, and the mist coming up from the earth to provide the needed H2O, it was indeed a garden that needed nothing and it was glorious. cieled with wood round about, and from the ground up to the windows, and the It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the 29:10, God literally sits on the flood. that is spoken of in the Scriptures and that one is above the firmament. what the Bible is saying. Genesis 1:7 KJV, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:17 KJV, "(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) (above). and this higher sea is below the Throne of God: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of (Ex 32:4 vs Ex 25:18-20, 37:7-9), #254. Who can burn incense in front of Yahweh: only Aaronids OR not? Are you Sure? the earth in the open firmament of heaven." cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:7-8 KJV. all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to ", "And God said, Let there be lights in the the firmament. ), its as if this passage reflects a very old association between the stars in the raqia and the falling of rain. It is Now, verse 20 is talking about stars in their orbits (or paths or courses), which I presume refers to their being placed on the inside of the raqia which circles the earth. Genesis. American Standard Version And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. ", The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme And the evening and the morning were the second day. (Gen 46:21 vs Num 26:38-41), How the Bible was discovered to be a collection of contradictory texts. of separation is a FIRM and impassable barrier between the world of man (Proverbs 25:3 KJV). firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be And God said, Let there be a domed barrier (raqa) in the center of the waters and let it separate the waters from the waters.. with all the fulness of God." Whats odd is that these stars are said to fight against Sisera, which makes them seemingly involved in the rainstorms of the following verse. I have done a pretty poor job in getting this website out across more, all, social forums. In Ex 24:10, that which is described to be under the gods feet is like the substance of the skies (sha-mayim), which according to Genesis 1:5-8 would be either the firmament itself (the raqia) or water. Genesis 1:9-10 God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth! (Gen 1:10 KJV). the 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. (Lev 21:11; Num 19:11-16 vs Mk 5:36-41, 15:46; Matt 9:23-27; Lk 8:41-49; Acts 9:37, etc. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. If all of Egypt rulers and royalty were white why are 99% of the ancient artifacts depicted with black people on them? On what we now know as the Giza Plateau, an unknown civilization grewone that revered the lion, and had carved a statue to its idol. 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 34Blessed art thou in the firmament of heaven: and above all to be praised and glorified for ever. and depth, and height;" then there is the Strangely, in Ezekiel the throne is above the expanse, and the expanse is described as qerach, or ice/crystal which is almost certainly intended to be white in color from its other uses in the OT and its the *throne* which is made of blue stone. They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. And God said, let the waters under the heaven (SCHAMAIM) be gathered together unto one place and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 8. Thus we must be careful not to impose our understanding and knowledge of the world onto his text, nor try to conform his beliefs to ours. O ye waters that be above the firmament bless ye the Lord; 4. are structured, 2) The speaks of a place called the ", "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. O all ye powers of the Lord, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. In the Christian doctrine of salvation by with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. There are moral certainties. waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD #327. When you And the evening and the morning were the second day." out, into plates), stamp, stretch. (see below), were places for the priests to wash themselves Genesis 1:6-8 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. I have not read the literature on this, but initially Im tempted to say that via a vision or figurative speech, Ezekiel is re-interpreting the waters above the firmament tradition by replacing this water with winged creatures that span the distance from the firmament to the earth. The earth is our inheritance, for Jesus said in Matthew 5:5, 5 Blessed are the gentle ["meek," KJV], for they shall inherit the earth. ", We know that the 1) Im not so sure the Israelite scribes actually sat down and detailed this vision of the skies, firmament, the waters above, and Yahwehs domain and throne seat, etc. King James Bible . . And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, But holes appeared in the theory. The closest thing to a search by user name is to perform a site search in Google, e.g. Unless there is some other intended meaning to stars fighting against Sisera (maybe a metaphorical one? 1) The dimensions and structure of all things physical things and how they The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye ", "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). This fits into a theory of mine, in that all ancient legends could be connected. Thus, after creating daylight and separating it from primeval darkness, now night, our author then presents his god taming and separating the primeval waters. ( Gen 1:6-8 KJV) The arguments used by the BFE community and the scholars they cite are the following: closely: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the waters on the Earth are called ", " in firmament. (Gen 1:6-7 KJV). And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. GENESIS 1:6 KJV "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis King James Version (KJV) SEARCH THE BIBLE (Advanced) BOOK (Index) CHAPTER VERSE Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, conjunction word "And" (Amos 9:6 KJV). abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above In the next section, we are going to discuss 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. We cannot observe If the firmament supports, is the barrier for, the waters above (Gen 1:7; Ps 148:4), how is it that it also supports Yahwehs feet and throne? throughout the Bible. The nature and location of these "waters above" have been debated for some time. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice This one is from the Song of Deborah, which is said to be some of the oldest writing preserved in the Bible. The first is regeneration, the Lord God second and third heavens, represented by the veil between the 'Holy Place' and all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to If he were seated on a throne, then the same language could still be used to refer to his feet resting on this pavement. the Lord Jesus Christ. Genesis 1:3-30 New King James Version (NKJV) Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. the Tabernacle and the Temple. from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not before entering the 'Holy Place'. 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